Should it all be BOA?
Sorry for the lull, guys – I have a handful of posts I want to put up, but I’ve been really sick for a few days. I’m still not entirely sure what I caught, but I figure when it’s summer in the tropics and you have to go to bed with a hot water bottle because you’re so chilly – maybe you picked up a little bug somewhere. Not very nice. Still feeling not-so-great, but I should be ok after a weekend of rest. Where’s Cure Disease when you need it?
Anyway – I was going to get back on track and post about some other things, but I was going through my RSS and got distracted.
Gnomeaggedon started this ball rolling, and Wow.com picked it up. The question posed is,
Wouldn’t it be easier if everything was shared between all of your characters?
I’m not sure that’s such a great idea..
The immediate problem that springs to mind for me is multiple alts + raid lockouts. Wouldn’t it mean that you could do as I have – level up 5 druids (heh) – and do this:
- raid on 1st character, pass outfit to 2nd character
- raid on 2nd character, pass outfit to 3rd character
- raid on 3rd character, pass outfit to 4th character…
Obviously not everyone has a set of 5 characters that share the same armor class and role (leather/healing) like me, but you get the point, I’m sure. You would essentially only need one set of epic gear but you could potentially raid on up to 9 extra characters. It’s highly unlikely, of course, that anyone would have the time to do this, but if you consider that TOC takes <1hr to clear, that's not an excessive amount of raiding to a hardcore raider. I think they'd do it.
I imagine this would then lead to hardcore raiders doing "dry runs" of tribute-style raids with their "alts" (wearing their main's epics!) for practice, and then when the strat is solid, swap to their main characters (after reclaiming their gear from the alts), to kill the boss. I dunno, maybe that's an extreme example - but when you consider all the guilds that server-hopped for extra attempts in TOC, I don't think it's too much of a stretch.
But that stuff aside, it would basically mean that you could earn 9 more lots of emblems each week (time constraints permitting). You would be drowning in emblems, and be able to share them through your alts, too. You'd be able to deck yourself out in the top tier of badge gear very quickly - is that really the way we want to go?
I mean - don't get me wrong - I'm impatient and I wish I had more Emblems of Frost right now - but I don't want them to just land in my lap in the first week. There's no fun in that. This game is all about improving your character, and if you improve it instantly and have nothing left to earn, it's dull. Honestly, I still feel sad that I have nothing left to do with my triumph badges except trade for gems - and with the new random dungeons, the "useless" Triumphs keep piling up.
But, on the other hand - I'd love to be able to hand those badges over to another character to help it get a little more geared...
Other possible problems
Some other cons (mostly speculation):
- Enchant mat prices go up as fewer items are disenchanted because they are snapped up for alts or "just in case I start playing my mage again"
- A flood of over geared, under-experienced alts, levelled in a week with the RAF system, dressed in top tier epics, but with virtually no knowledge of how the heck that class is played..
- "I'm rolling on this for my alt"
Alternative BOA system
Commenter Mr Crow on Wow.com had an interesting idea - don't make everything BOA, just make the lower level emblems BOA, for example just the Heroism badges. That way, you can gear up your alts with Heroism gear easily, but it's not as ridiculous as being able to throw the top level gear at your alts.
I would probably suggest allowing the tier below current (or perhaps two tiers - T8/Conquest gear), and have this follow along with patches in a similar way to how Blizzard changed instances to drop Valor, then Conquest, and now Triumph, so that alts and rerolls have quick access to the previous tier of gear.
So, if BOA tier gear was 2 tiers behind current, you could get your newly minted alt into Tier 8 to get started running your random heroics for triumph and frost emblems. I think this would be perfectly adequate; you'd have a solid set of gear to get you started in heroics and lower level raids, but it wouldn't be over the top.
Allowing alts to piggyback around on mains for Tier 10/current tier gear is a bit much, I think.
What I'd love to see go BOA
- Bags
- BOA profession patterns - eg a scaling tailored item that I could give to my alts to wear - like the current BOA items, but something I can make myself. Ditto for the leatherworkers, blacksmiths, etc. It would be an additional "perk" for being a crafter - something that you can send to your lowbies to help them.
- Keys, particularly for dungeons.
- Special items like TCG loot.
- Mounts.. I'm not sure. I suppose it would be nice to have my TCG mounts on my other characters, and my rare drops available to them - especially the fast ones. It would also make me more inclined to want to raid on my alts for a chance at say, Onyxia's mount - I would hate to see that drop while I was playing Kiiva and not Keeva! And I would definitely love to have my mammoth (with vendors) on my alts.
Let us share achievements!
Ok, this isn't really related, but I do wish Blizzard would implement a way to share your achievements across all characters, but still show the individual character's achievements as well.
So say for example if I have 100 pets on Keeva but 5 different ones on Kiiva (say, the TCG pets), my "Overall" achievements would say 105 pets, but next to it, it might say "(Keeva: 100)". That way, we could have the sum total of our achievements across all characters - but still show the "real" value of our current character, so it's not like we're "cheating" by claiming them all as our own. I'd love to be able to add in my vanilla stuff from Caoimhe - the reps, the raids, old feats of strength - things that stung when I left them behind.
And hey - it would help as your personal raiding resume - because you could show your entire raiding history/experience across all characters. How many times have I told people that "this is just my alt, I've done XYZ raid on my main"? Just thinking aloud, really..
I'm really not sure about making everything BOA. Obviously it has its merits, it would make playing alts easier, fielding raids much easier (down a healer? Just have someone throw a bunch of emblems at an alt to gear it up in a few days!), and generally reduce "the grind".
But isn't that grind part of the sense of achievement? If you suddenly have 5 epic characters and the ability to produce 300 emblems a week - if all you ever had to do was level a character to 80 and it was instantly able to put on your epic gear - and if your characters were all geared within a few weeks of each patch - wouldn't that make things pretty boring?
Or am I weird for thinking that way? Masochistic?
It's not that I want to grind out 5 different characters to epic gearsets and enough badges to go around - like many other people I wish I had more time to play my alts, and I lament the fact that I don't have enough time on my hands to gear them up better, faster.
But really - if you take away the process, if you make it super quick or virtually nonexistent..
..then what's left in the game to do?
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From the PoV of a former officer of a casual raiding guild… the “I’m taking this for my alt” bit makes me cringe, especially. We had trouble enough convincing people to decide on a main and actually put proper care and attention into their gear. There is every likelihood that some players will pass what would be an upgrade for their raiding character off to an “alt” that they just happen to be flavor-of-the-monthing on, harming the guild as far as its raiding progression.
Of course, stuff like that is why I no longer play in a casual-raiding guild, and why I was having panic attacks trying to wrangle them back then
No, they should not make EoH BoA. If you can’t farm the emblems yourself, why do you need to deck out your character? That’s the fun in playing an alt, that you suddenly have something to do again.
What they should have done is not upgrading the badges in heroics but add the higher levels.
A heroic boss these days should drop 1 EoH, 1 EoV, 1 EoC and 1 EoT. As it is now, EoH gear is worthless. No one is going to spend 40 EoT to buy an ilvl 200 trinket. But if you would get EoH and EoT, you couldn’t use them for anything else and would have more options to deck out your char.
Even though the idea of having the lower level tokens become BOA sounds appealing its almost not worth the effort to farm them, By doing the three new ICC heroics and then farming them as well as HTOC you can get your character geared in lvl 232 and 219 gear in almost no time at all. Even just farming the regular mode ICC 5 mans will put you on a high gear level.
The only thing that I would really like for bliz to do is to include a line on your achievements that also names your other characters that have achieved that specific achievement. People are so stuck on WH score and Achievements that it is hard to get into a pug now on the older raids if you cant show you’ve done it before. At least by being able to show you have done it on an alt, you will no longer be considered a noob and may get into that pug.
I have an alt Hunter that use to be my main in BC but haven’t had much attention because I’ve been only playing my druid since the release of wotlk. Now that im trying to get my hunter into pugs with a 2550wh gear score, nobody wants to give me the time of day because I don’t have an achievement. Sorry experienced players only is all I hear . Yet when I go show my druid achieves I’m in before I can say resto.
I’d like to see retired emblems/badges become BoA.
So right now, you’d be able to assemble all your emblems of heroism, valor, and triumph on one toon and possibly be able to buy something with them.
What I’ve done for now is to downgrade my old emblems and buy BoA gear for my alts with them. Still, it would be nice to be able to get an item or two for my alts with all the old emblems I have lying around.
OTOH, I know people who have hundreds of old emblems. They could completely equip an alt with the amount they have.
I think I still have over 100 Badges of Justice!
I love BOA, but I always think it should be quality of life stuff not end game content. I’m all for craftable BOA items, more BOA gear. BOA rep items … but it should never replace raiding gear or pvp gear … it should be there to help you get an alt to level cap and then ANY purple item should be a better alternative.
I’m not in favour of badges being BOA because then, for example, I could farm out the badges on my Resto druid (which I’m far more confortable playing) and kit our my prot paladin in tier 9. Much as that would be easier on me, I’d have the gear of a decent tank – without the knowledge and experience.
Have you guys considered turning your old badges (except the Justice ones) for epic gems ? Sell them on the AH, or stockpile for future use.
Use them up BEFORE the xpac otherwise they become truley useless
Keeva … best Resto Druid blog bar none … and a fellow Aussie to boot
I wouldn’t like to see EVERYthing go BoA. As you have said quite well, it’s part of the game to upgrade your character, even your alts. Otherwise, its just the same as having Paid Class Changes, really. Would love to share achievements, though… One of the main reasons I keep playing my Druid is cos of the embarrassing amount of /played and all the nifty achieves I’ve got. I don’t bother trying for achievements on any of my alts.
And gearing up is really not hard now… I had a guildy ding 80 on patch day, one week of grinding heroics diligently, he has a GearScore of 4500… which is good for ToC10, FYI. (He’s really keen to get to tanking, but I ain’t letting him till he does at least ONE bloody raid!)
BTW, Keeva, whats your thoughts on the Glyph of Rapid Rejuvination? As an offspec healer, with 600ish haste, I’ve found it really hard to keep rejuve up on all targets. Maybe this would be better for PvP than PvE…
I adore Gnomeaggedon. He often has a ton of good ideas about things to improve in the game. This idea however isn’t one I would embrace. Not at all.
As you point out: 1. What would there be left to do in the game? It’s almost like buying your toon on e-bay.
2. How would you learn to play your toon. Skill doesn’t come automatically with gear. I would dread to party with those never-played alts decked out in Tier 9.
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Well you could always sit around and collect pets. XD
Ok, just poking fun. I agree with you. Right now, everything boa is reasonably hard to get. One requires WG or epic farming while under control of WG. The other requires the very tedious acquisition of champion marks and crusader status. Granted, a couple can be bought with excess heroism emblems, but not many. I like it that way.
If they want to make it easier for people with alts, they should just focus on reducing annoying stuff (like they did with the CW flying tome) or dropping prices on stupid gold sinks like epic flying skill. Make it 1k for alts or something.
I think they did a fine job of making equipment more available to low leveled alts, however, just by opening up the cross server lfg. We can ACTUALLY earn gear for ourselves at level 20 without having to get a guildie to run us. XP and loot. *perfect*