Baddies who think they are better than you (because they have epics)
I try to be a fairly patient person. Not much gets me going, really.. it takes a lot to make me mad. But the one thing that absolutely makes my blood BOIL is when stupid/bad people genuinely think that I am stupid/bad, when it’s actually them being stupid/bad.
Figure 1: The Gravity Boss claims another hapless victim.
“How did you die? Too busy typing? :P”
“I was healing people who shouldn’t have been tanking :)”
“I had all the mobs.”
“No, I had aggro, that’s how I died.”
“No, I had aggro on everything.”
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I feel your pain. I was healing a group with 2 DKs they both were tanking mobs and behold, they die. As do the rest of us.
I ask to hit one target only and choose who the tank will be. They don’t, we die, again.
This time, I get back into the instance, get half way through a drink, they are both at half health and pull the same pack. Guess what? We all died.
And like you, I should have left group, but they were the ones who left, as did everyone else, presumably blaming me. *sigh*
I feel your pain! I tried tanking as a bear for the first time a few weeks ago, and yes indeed I did suck. However, I had told everyone that it was my first time, and also my first time in that instance. Instead of giving me tips on how to do better (or even stopping to develop a strategy), I was just shouted at for being an idiot.
The same happened as my first time doing DPS in an instance. Bitched at for not doing enough damage and not given a chance to explain it was my first time. Everyone has a first time of doing something and we can’t all be great at it.
In both occasions (especially the tanking one) I was made to feel like an idiot and that put me in a bad mood for the rest of the day. It is just a game, I love playing it and I’m more than happy to have a laugh about wipes and talk about how we can do better. I was with a group that wiped 3 times in FoS, and it was one of my favourite runs because of the fun banter we had.
I ran Heroic PoS this afternoon with DK tank who announced that their gear was OK, not great and then filled /party chat with a tanking macro: 2 paragraphs of “if you pull, you’ll die” and “the f key means you will assist me to kill my target and that’s not a programmer’s mistake”.
I think I was the most geared player in the party and I thought the macro was pretty cute, but surely overkill for this party – I was playing as DPS and my friend, a Hunter, was with me and he’s an excellent player and ex-tank himself. Unfortunately the DPS Warrior in the party was determined to prove me wrong. He had great gear/DPS btw.
We spent the first half of the run with our Pally healer healing both the tank and this warrior equally. The thing is, the tank was actually pretty damn good and his threat generation didn’t cause me even the slightest concern – not even on AOE packs.
But our healer was struggling and the Warrior died 3 times before we reached the painful caster undead packs leading up to the gauntlet. The warrior blamed the healer in party chat. To reduce the damage I shacked one caster and my friend trapped another.
Then the warrior decided to DPS all out at the start of the gauntlet and when he dropped to 10% health our healer stopped running to heal him… eventually the tank died… and we all wiped.
Post wipe, the tank made a comment about people not reading his disclaimer at the start of the run. The warrior then turned around and tried to blame the “undergeared” tank for the wipe. So I spoke up and said “no DPS until we stop at the midpoint. none”.
I felt I had to say something, though, because if I didn’t the other players in the run might walk away thinking the tank in entry level epics and blues was a baddy. And it would have just reinforced to the DK tank that his disclaimer was warranted. Which is a true shame.
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Heroics are now easy with overgeared people doing it a millionth time. There are times though when the number of casual players with bad skills plus aggressivity/e-peen problems grow. School breaks are such times, and weekends also increase the chance to bump into them. Best way is to avoid pugging during these periods.
For the most part, I love the new PUG tool.
An interesting thing seems to be that no one feels like communicating a lot of the time. True, most of us have run those instances a ton of times. However, when I have people going in 5 different directions, it can get annoying. Thankfully, I can keep up.
But, when you try to ask a question or say something, all you get is crickets.
Is it just me, or is one side effect of that tool that some people decide they can be asses, as they most likely won’t group with you ever again — as opposed getting a bad rep as a dink in your server.
I feel your pain — I normally am laid back and let things slide, but sometimes, they are just asking for it.
I wish we were in the same bg server, so we could randomly pug when I’m offspec-bearing it up. LOL. I’d be nice, promise! ^____^
This is one of those times that you can work on your technique in “killing the DPS by denying heals and making them learn a lesson while making it look like it was their fault the entire time.” I do it all the time when I get groups like that. Usually a couple nice requests to only attack a marked target is my par for the course. One person even piped up with “You can’t tell what I’m targeting, so stfu.” I smiled and let him know that I have party targeting enabled so I can watch every single person’s target without having to change my own.
“Oh…”
…was the response I got. The tank was using the same mod (XPerl) and was in this idiot’s guild, so he knew I wasn’t faking it or anything. I let that stupid DPS stay plastered to the floor for three pulls in FoS, telling him that I would “rez him when he could follow basic directions and courtesy” which he promptly refused to do.
So we kept him there. On the floor. For the first boss fight (he died on the trash before from pulling aggro, not that anyone cared at that point). He never released. Just stayed silent. It was then that I noticed he was suddenly unguilded…Wonder why?
As we continued past that boss, we rezzed him and he got quiet but didn’t DPS. He just followed us around expecting us to kill for him. Finally we kicked him and everyone burst into laughter “OMG that was hilarious when you left him there!” The tank praised my heals and sense of humor (and lack of taking crap) and the run went smoothly.
Gotta love that power you have over health bars
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Sigh. I have had great experiences with LFG, some kind of “whatever” ones where you zoom through and no one talks, and a few really terrible ones. The new thing I love that happened to us is when you get a DPS spec who decides to tank or heal for a faster queue. They don’t know what they’re doing, they don’t care, and they think gear will pull them through. It’s really disheartening. I understand the appeal to reduce the wait time, but that behaviour causes the whole group to suffer.
The incident I had like yours was in H Gundrak. It was a heavily geared “no buffing no mana just run” group. They blew through and we wiped out the snake boss in record time, but at the end of the fight I had no more mana, was at half health, and so was the rest of the team. The tank took off as I was recovering and pulled two mobs in the next room, while still at half health. I pulled us through (barely) and then commented that if they didn’t want to buff each other or anything, fine, and I was OK with the rapid pace, but that if they didn’t wait for me to recover my health/mana (let alone their own) they’d find themselves facing the linoleum on the next pull. The tank and his DPS buddy instantly attacked me, calling my very well-geared Disc priest a “fail healer” and to “STFU fa–ot” and telling me to just heal or I’d be vote kicked. I stayed quiet, let them make their next pull, and then faded, bubbled, and left the instance watching each of their bars read “dead”. I followed it up by reporting their reprehensible behaviour.
Problem is, even though they’re few and far between, these bad PuGs really screw up your mood and day. BE NICE TO YOUR HEALERS (and, well, everyone for that matter)!!!
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To bad this issue doesn’t stop with PuGs. These people exist even in some of the best guilds (thinking of a couple in my guild, right now).
I love their fractured logic though…
You die in the fight –> “Don’t die to stupid $#@%”
They die in the same fight –> “I didn’t get heals”
I think something was lost between the MC days and now. I remember people letting tanks get agro and making sure everyone was on the same target. Now it seems like a free for all and healers along for the ride.
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I feel for you! In general. I’ve had a generally positive experience with LFG. I am queuing as feral DPS, so wait times on my server are generally ~10 mins. I’m fairly well geared now – I had 4T7.5 and then my raiding guild fell apart, so I never really got to do much in Ulduar or ToC. I’ve got 4T9 now, so generally do pretty well – I know the feral DPS rotation well and generally can top a meter in an average heroic.
If I am queuing solo, I generally try to be polite – say hi, a little banter. I’ve been kind of disappointed at how anti-social some people can be…is it really that hard to take a minute to say hi at the beginning of a run? I mean we don’t have to be best buds or anything, but c’mon. I have found that there is often a correlation between chattiness and speed. The groups with the least said are often the best geared and blow through things at a prodigious pace. I think we had a 12 minute Drak’Tharon keep the other night. I generally like to queue with a few guildies, as it makes the runs a little more fun.
I have considered queueing as a tank. My secondary spec is feral bear, and my gear isn’t horrible, but in no way is phenomenal. Fully buffed I can get up around 32K-35K health (nothing like the 46K my pally tank friend can put up), which is fine for most heroics. I know I could get groups faster by queueing bear, but I am afraid of the nasty people I would likely get for being at best, and average tank, since most of my experience is as DPS.
Regarding your post – I had a Pit of Saron group like that splitting DPS the other night. It was bad enough that I left after Ick and Krick. The other two DPS were splitting all over the place, and while I was trying to hit the tank’s target, he wasn’t terribly great at holding aggro, and I was peeling things off without even trying. The healer must have had a hell of time keeping him up, because after dying several times, I looked at my Recount log, and the tank was getting 65%+ of the heals, and I was getting less than 10%. Additionally, the healer was overhealing themselves for about 87%.
I asked politely a few times, but was met with silence, which I guess is better than nerd rage, but seriously, we shouldn’t be wiping multiple times on trash, and if we are, could we at least try to communicate? When it was clear they wouldn’t, I dropped group, and that was it.
All in LFG has been great, but man, when it stinks, it can really stink.
I think healers have it pretty bad with PUGs simply because its so much easier to blame things on the healer then actually look at all the little mistakes that happen which all add up and cause a group to wipe.
As I recently started healing with my discipline priest, its been a pretty humbling experience. I have to drink all the time especially in the new heroics and dps can be so damn impatient. I am all for having good dps I really am but what is the point when the tank can’t keep up with threat and chaos breaks out? Surely they can comprehend that all it does is put extra strain on the healer?
I also hate it that when you speak up for yourself as a healer it always seems to come across as defensive and bitchy. I was sitting down to drink during a heroic the other day and my boyfriend was tanking. I had warned him that my mana wasn’t crash hot and to wait before pulling after a close incident after the 3rd pack of mobs. 2 seconds later I see them all in combat and I’m miles away drinking my boyfriend goes, “errrr that wasn’t me the hunter was impatient and pulled then feigned death”.
I was furious but I kept my cool and just said “Seriously I should let you all die, don’t ever pull mobs again when your healer is drinking and if you aren’t the tank”.
The rest of the run was done in complete stone silence and I felt terrible, but wow… who the hell pulls when your healer is a 20 second run way.
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I was doing CoS and the pally tank in all 245 starts making fun of the dk in blues for being a leech. No one responds. He then inspects me, seeing my gear is impressive and thinks I will be on his side. He then proceeds to say
“I bet I do more DPS than all of you terribly geared fucks combined”
My response: “Shut up.”
His response: “Well then Suck my dick”
He left. We went into the queue, got a new tank and everyone in scrubby gear did over 3k dps. We all reported him.
This blog itself was still waaaay too nice for the fuckery that seemed to have been going on. You’ve got quite a following – next time you should definitely leave, but in your next post about it, be sure to include screenshots of the idiots being idiots, as well as their character name and if you’re really on the ball, a WoL.
To be honest, I’m surprised this is your first awful experience with the new LFG – nearly every one of mine have been awful. Blizzard has done nothing but fuel the notion that you can go from dinging 80 to playing endgame instantly by whatever process they use to match players. If you put undergeared players in groups with people who are competent long enough, they turn into your vertically challenged tank friend – they believe that their farting along is actually skillful play.
I usually don’t have to worry too much about this, since I always make sure I nab a tank from the guild or ask really nicely to Mr. Littlebark to do it for me.
I did however, have a horrible experience with my pally while I was DPSing H PoS. I was in my PvP gear ret gear -I nver had an actual DPS gear set; only prot/heals, but I knew I could pump out anywhere from 2.5-3k dps. I buffed everyone in the group, and waited for the tank to start pulling.
“Ugh, this pally is in horrible gear.” says the tank.
I was the only pally in the group, “I know I’m in my PvP gear. I assure you, I can pull my weight, and I’m not looking being dragged threw with you.”
Nothing else was said. We were almost at the first boss when the healer asked “Theola isn’t here?”
“Yes, I am,” I said quickly.
“Oh. Someone just started the vote to kick you process for you.”
Wonderful. At this point I was pumping out 3.5k dps and was the one that had died the least. I’d even kept the healer alive when the tank decided that the healer could keep himself alive while two mobs beat on him. “Can you fade or something? I dont want to break my rotation on this mob”… he asked the DRUID HEALER.
To fade.
Or something.
/facepalm
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I did an Oculus last night on Keeva.
I told them when I got in – I’ll go Emerald, because that’s what I know. I haven’t had experience with the Amber drake.
Someone else said “no I wanna go Emerald.”
I said ok – I’ll do Amber if you like, but as long as you realise that I haven’t done it before.
“Who cares tbh”
We get up there, and I realise I’m the only Amber – we have an Emerald and three Rubies. I do what I consider to be a pretty darn good job, considering I don’t really know what I’m doing.
One of the DPSers says “Nice time stop timing.”
“Oh – thanks, I really don’t have much of a clue what to do though :P” I said.
He said “Yeah, I agree.”
Oh.. I see, you were being a sarcastic jackass. Remember at the start when I asked to be Emerald specifically because I didn’t know how to do Amber? Could I have been more clear in warning you that I didn’t have any experience doing it?
Me: I haven’t done Amber before, so I don’t really know what I’m doing. Can I be Emerald?
(snip)
DPS: OMG u don’t know what ur doing, noob
Me: Didn’t I say that already?
What a genius.
Oh, and I zoned into Pit of Saron and got this:
Tank: healer, leave please.
Me: pardon?
–Your group has been disbanded–
While we’re on the subject, I’m getting tired of being called “healer”, “heals”, or “druid”.
Druid, rez me plz
Heals, stand over here
Oh, and I thwarted one of those stupid ledge strat attempts in Halls of Reflection.
Tank: every1 stand hear
Me: Don’t do the ledge thing, do it properly please.
Tank: stand hear
Me: Do it properly please.
Tank: It’s faster this way.
Me: No, it’s not. You still have to clear the mobs, and you still have to run to the end.
So I stood out in front on the path, until one of the DPSers came with me. As Arthas came close, the others left behind on the ledge started swearing because they were being overwhelmed with mobs (and had no healer).
They eventually realised it would be smart to move up with us.
Tank: ledge is ezi
Me: Doing things properly is hard, amirite
/agree
I hate being called ‘druid’. My name isn’t hard, nor one of those wankerish “ipwnusohard’ type…
Ugh… I hate being called “druid” too, especially by the nubcake dps that died because he wasn’t being careful. “Druid rez me.” “I will if you just give me a second. :P”
If I see someone in four piece T9 I just assume they’re a run of the mill heroic farmer and have few expectations beyond that, and that’s too bad since some of those people can legitimately play well.
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Wow, I really wish I had as few bad experiences as you.
I recall one time when I had a decently geared tank on a heroic and I was dpsing as my hunter with a mage and a lock.
First few mobs went really rough as we were pulling aggro from the tank all over the place. Finally, the 3 dps and I toned it down. We do okay for a while, although we’re going painfully slow and the guy started complaining that we weren’t going fast enough and it was our fault because we weren’t doing enough dps. Some people just have no clue that they suck.
If the healer’s oom, and the dps are holding back for fear of breaking your fragile hold on aggro.. maybe, just maybe.. IT’S YOU. lol
Don’t the mobs in FoS have random aggro? The casters with the ghost in the middle? I always thought so, I assumed it is normal that the whole group takes a lot of damage on these packs…?
Don’t tell the group to kill the same target. That won’t work because no one is responsible. Tell them specifically what to do. Tell them to assist the tank, or to kill skull and mark skull yourself. If you just ask them to attack the same target, everyone thinks that the other two should attack the correct target (which, of course, is the one they are attacking).
And for HoR. If the remainder of the group prefers to kill the mobs behind Arthas, why does it have to work your way? If the majority of the group prefers the other strategy?
Related to that. I wanted to do the daily random heroic at 2:15 am with my healer. The tool assigned my to a PoS group. Two people with the random debuff, the tank and two DPS without (one very low dps mage with unsocketed items). The tank informed me that they are going to clear all trash. I didn’t wan’t to do that because I just want my 2 emblem of frost. I could drop group but would be stuck with a 15 min debuff which makes it kind of a gamble if I would be able to finish a run in the then remaining 30 minutes. So I stayed and dropped group after the first boss at 2:50 because we would not have been able to finish the run in time.
What would you do if the tank informs you that he is going to pull every trash mob and you don’t like that? Next time I will just leave the instance but don’t drop group and afk to desktop and force them to wait the 15 minutes with me because they can’t vote kick me in the beginning.
The shades in the beginning of the instance have some kind of shadowstep-like ability that targets random people. They sometimes cling to them for some reason. Beyond that aggro is pretty straight-forward in FoS.
Also if some tank or whatever wants to farm trash for a hilt, they absolutely have every right to go ahead and do that. However, I’d tell them they should do that on their own time and not waste mine or the rest of the group’s who are looking for specific drops in the instance or just emblems of frost/triumph.
I agree though, 95% of the pugs are just fine but that 5%… it’s the wonderful stuff stories are made of!
“afk to desktop and force them to wait the 15 minutes with me because they can’t vote kick me in the beginning.”
That is exactly why I did my first player report ever: abusing the LFG system intentionally. If you don’t like the group, you are free to leave, but such a retaliation attempt should be disciplined.
But using the LFG system to grab a healer and then waste his time to farm trash is ok?
If you’re in a group you can’t use the tool again for 15 minutes, no matter how retarded the other 4 people are. I actually pointed it out that I would leave if I didn’t have the debuff and he just meant “yeah, you either have to accept that or leave with the debuff.” He said it in a polite way but it was clear that he knew that I don’t have a choice because he wasted at least 15 minutes of my time anyway.
Latest horror story: I was in a random H CoS the other day and we voted the tank out of the party. The tank died rather quickly and that lead to a wipe. No big deal, it happens. So, as we are regrouping the tank says something like, “I lost half my health in one hit!” So I asked if he was def capped. He says, “lol, no I just hit 80.”
Buh-bye.
We got a new tank who chain pulled the rest of the run.
Grid lights up like a Christmas tree when people actually have aggro – so I can tell when it’s aggro vs random damage abilities that hit everyone (or random people) because it doesn’t light up when the mob just targets you to toss some scripted damage at you. In the case that I died, I actually had something on me, because I had to spam heal DPSers.
I don’t mind healing the group through random damage and mobs that decide to pick on one person.. but when the entire group takes damage because the entire group is attacking whatever mob they feel like, then I get cranky. Especially when they all claim to be attacking the tank’s target, but I can see bullets flying to the left and lightning to the right – a sure sign that they are either clueless, or don’t care.
And I refuse to do the ledge strat because I don’t believe in “cheesing” encounters. I’m sure others will cry “creative use of game mechanics”, but I believe it’s just laziness. If the group feel they can’t do that part of the encounter properly, then they shouldn’t be attempting HoR.
I zoned into a H Gundrak and for some reason the tank immediately dropped group. When we re-queued we immediately got a replacement (straight away i was suspcious). A paladin rolled up with 24k health.
I’m ok with a tank having low health so long as they have everything else in order. But upon inspecting the paladin I noticed the following:
1. He had a spell power ring from Hallow’s End
2. He had buffed himself with Kings
3. He was wearing mail.
So I asked him was he def capped. His response, no I got my account hacked and I’m rebuilding but my defense is at 400 !!
So I simply responded, The cloth mage in our group can obtain a defense rating of 400 I’m sorry but can you please leave the group as I am not healing you. I then shadowmelded and the rest of the party moved behind me.
He ranted and said he wasn’t leaving, but then did leave shortly after. That was my one and only bad experience as a healer … as a tank however … so so many bad experiences. I can’t tell you the number of times I have had to bubble (paladin tank) so all the aggro transfers to the idiot dps who pulled for me to “speed” things up. Rogues and hunter’s are the worst for this
Oh and the ledge strat – exploit !!!
Watched that get fixed soon
I really do see HoR getting patched so that if people aren’t running from the lich king with Jaina, they’ll be ended somehow.
Tanking while not defense capped and with low health isn’t usually a problem in heroics, as long as there is some skill to compensate for it along with a healer who knows what’s going on and can handle it. I was able to MT Naxx10 with 23k health unbuffed and at 500 defense without any major difficulties. My healers’ gear was about the same level, but like me they knew the encounters going in so it was a smooth run.
I’m sorry uthadys but tanks who dont get defense capped are just plain lazy. My pally dinged 80 and put together a defense rating of 540 with quest rewards and crafted blues in a matter of hours.
It really isn’t that hard. Blizzard made all the blue items with LOTS of defense so new tanks could get properly geared to do heorics in pug’s
In that situation, I just wait til the boss let them pull the aggro and zone out and leave group and say “enjoy your repair bills”.
Hell yeah I’m lazy, but I know how to effectively use my defensive cooldowns so it works
Just wanted to come back to this thread and mention that you can indeed tank these 4 pulls + elemental in FoS… I finally leveled my DK to 80 and was able to tank them without a problem. Apologize for my doubt, Keeva.
This group really sucks with my paladin. I have no idea how I could tank them. They are to far apart for Avenger’s Shield to jump. Consecration doesn’t cover the whole area because it has a too small size. They are casters and don’t hit you, therefore holy shield doesn’t work. I haven’t seen an opportunity to LoS them besides walking all back to the entrance with bubble and let the group wait there…?
Someone have an idea how a paladin can tank this group? It’s always a nightmare for the healer when I tank these groups. I mean, I can see that the whole group looses health.
My favorite terrible run was an all melee group (two warriors, two DKs, and myself the healer) and the shatter boss in HoS.
All the melee run in when he knocks them all back….and everyone immediately dies to the shatter (except, luckily, the warrior tank). I seriously did not know shatter could be so painful. Guess who gets blamed?
Guess who also gets nagged to brez everyone? Yes, everyone. o_O
So me and the warrior 2man it, I rez the DPS and sit down to drink (it was a terribly long fight). They immediately set off to pull the next group at half health, while the tank is faithfully by my side, and all three die.
I got called probably every nasty name in the book by these two DKs, who promptly left the group (saved me the trouble actually… I was worried I’d be vote kicked out since the one DK was in the same guild as the prot warrior.)
After they left, I said to the tank, “I’m sorry if he was your buddy, but he was an idiot.” To which the tank replied, “:)”
An armory later that night revealed he was no longer guilded.