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		<title>By: Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funnily enough, yes you&#039;re probably right.  Not sure if you had a look at my latest SOS log, but I changed my Nourishes to be a bit slower.  The main point of them was to refresh so that my nourish would have an extra counter for GlNourish increases, rather than purely their own healing, so I went with a slow stack and focussed back on nourish more.  Given everything has a 1s cast (all but Regrowth which is just there to give another HoT to nourish boost) then 3 casts of a HoT filler vs 5-6 to maintain the fast LB, gives me 2-3 more Nourishes, so yes, I&#039;m coming around to the slow stack point of view.   You don&#039;t lose enough HPS in lifebloom itself that the additional nourishes don&#039;t make up for it well and truly.

So ignore comment 17 :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough, yes you&#8217;re probably right.  Not sure if you had a look at my latest SOS log, but I changed my Nourishes to be a bit slower.  The main point of them was to refresh so that my nourish would have an extra counter for GlNourish increases, rather than purely their own healing, so I went with a slow stack and focussed back on nourish more.  Given everything has a 1s cast (all but Regrowth which is just there to give another HoT to nourish boost) then 3 casts of a HoT filler vs 5-6 to maintain the fast LB, gives me 2-3 more Nourishes, so yes, I&#8217;m coming around to the slow stack point of view.   You don&#8217;t lose enough HPS in lifebloom itself that the additional nourishes don&#8217;t make up for it well and truly.</p>
<p>So ignore comment 17 :-p</p>
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		<title>By: Keeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But fast LB comes in lower on the HPET scale than Nourish (even with only 2 HoTs), so doesn&#039;t that mean that it&#039;s not worth fast stacking LB, you would be better off skipping it in favour of Nourish?
.-= Keeva´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://treebarkjacket.com/2010/02/18/glyph-of-rapid-rejuvenation-and-25man-raid-healing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Glyph of Rapid Rejuvenation and 25man raid healing&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But fast LB comes in lower on the HPET scale than Nourish (even with only 2 HoTs), so doesn&#8217;t that mean that it&#8217;s not worth fast stacking LB, you would be better off skipping it in favour of Nourish?<br />
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		<title>By: Keeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see your point, but if I even try to wrap my head around the math, my brain might explode.
.-= Keeva´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://treebarkjacket.com/2010/02/18/glyph-of-rapid-rejuvenation-and-25man-raid-healing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Glyph of Rapid Rejuvenation and 25man raid healing&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see your point, but if I even try to wrap my head around the math, my brain might explode.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Keeva´s last blog ..<a href="http://treebarkjacket.com/2010/02/18/glyph-of-rapid-rejuvenation-and-25man-raid-healing/" rel="nofollow">Glyph of Rapid Rejuvenation and 25man raid healing</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://treebarkjacket.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have with the slow stack is this.  HPET isn&#039;t completely accurate because you&#039;re inside the Dream State for more than 8 secs.  Therefore EVERY time you come outside the Dream State you have to reload the stacks.  While I haven&#039;t re-done the math for HPET, as far as my glance at the original stuff I did says, having a fast stacked LB put up after Rejuv and Regrowth is significantly more healing in light of a 20stack of the healing buff, because the time spent outside a portal will mean that you don&#039;t have enough time time do more than simply let a slow stack build then pop, or maybe refresh once if you start with it before Rejuv/Regrowth on exiting the portal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have with the slow stack is this.  HPET isn&#8217;t completely accurate because you&#8217;re inside the Dream State for more than 8 secs.  Therefore EVERY time you come outside the Dream State you have to reload the stacks.  While I haven&#8217;t re-done the math for HPET, as far as my glance at the original stuff I did says, having a fast stacked LB put up after Rejuv and Regrowth is significantly more healing in light of a 20stack of the healing buff, because the time spent outside a portal will mean that you don&#8217;t have enough time time do more than simply let a slow stack build then pop, or maybe refresh once if you start with it before Rejuv/Regrowth on exiting the portal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lunarea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunarea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:grin: Ok, that makes sense then. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://treebarkjacket.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> Ok, that makes sense then. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Stories of WoW &#187; Healing Valithria: a story of fail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stories of WoW &#187; Healing Valithria: a story of fail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] off, of course Valithria doesn&#8217;t show up on Grid. However, thanks to Keeva&#8217;s awesome guide, I was prepared. Or at least semi-prepared &#8211; I didn&#8217;t know we were going to do [...]</description>
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<p>[...] off, of course Valithria doesn&#8217;t show up on Grid. However, thanks to Keeva&#8217;s awesome guide, I was prepared. Or at least semi-prepared &#8211; I didn&#8217;t know we were going to do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Keeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lunarea :)

WG will only heal the dragon for a tiny amount, and it&#039;s not worth using that GCD for it. Yes, as another hot on the target it will boost Nourish again - but not enough to make it worth spending a GCD that could be used for another of our spells.
.-= Keeva´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://treebarkjacket.com/2010/02/18/glyph-of-rapid-rejuvenation-and-25man-raid-healing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Glyph of Rapid Rejuvenation and 25man raid healing&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lunarea <img src='http://treebarkjacket.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>WG will only heal the dragon for a tiny amount, and it&#8217;s not worth using that GCD for it. Yes, as another hot on the target it will boost Nourish again &#8211; but not enough to make it worth spending a GCD that could be used for another of our spells.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Keeva´s last blog ..<a href="http://treebarkjacket.com/2010/02/18/glyph-of-rapid-rejuvenation-and-25man-raid-healing/" rel="nofollow">Glyph of Rapid Rejuvenation and 25man raid healing</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://treebarkjacket.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lunarea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunarea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not WG?

If Wild Growth is another instant-cast HoT, wouldn&#039;t it have a better HPET than Nourish, or is my top-of-my-head guesstimate off base? It seems like it would also make Nourish 6% better with the glyph, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not WG?</p>
<p>If Wild Growth is another instant-cast HoT, wouldn&#8217;t it have a better HPET than Nourish, or is my top-of-my-head guesstimate off base? It seems like it would also make Nourish 6% better with the glyph, too.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTree</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheTree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:oops: ya, i only realised that we were looking at HPET after my post, so based on the above numbers and a fight that last roughly 130 secs and asuming 0 lag with a cast time/GCD of 1 sec

This assumes just LB and Nourish while LB is ticking and doesnt take into consideration rejuv every 12 secs 

Fast stack LB = 1476592 healed over 130 secs  :shock: 

Roling LB (3 stack no bloom) = 1582438 healed over 134 secs with a single bloom at the end of the cycle

Slow LB = 1588994 over 134 secs (6k More than rolling over 134 secs)

based on this there isnt realy much difirence over the long term between Rolling LB and Slow stack LB (with Glyph)

I guess the benifit here for slow stack LB is the slighty improved healing and the Mana refund 

over a 6 minute fight, this will be about 18k more healing done, definately worth having</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://treebarkjacket.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif' alt=':oops:' class='wp-smiley' /> ya, i only realised that we were looking at HPET after my post, so based on the above numbers and a fight that last roughly 130 secs and asuming 0 lag with a cast time/GCD of 1 sec</p>
<p>This assumes just LB and Nourish while LB is ticking and doesnt take into consideration rejuv every 12 secs </p>
<p>Fast stack LB = 1476592 healed over 130 secs  <img src='http://treebarkjacket.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Roling LB (3 stack no bloom) = 1582438 healed over 134 secs with a single bloom at the end of the cycle</p>
<p>Slow LB = 1588994 over 134 secs (6k More than rolling over 134 secs)</p>
<p>based on this there isnt realy much difirence over the long term between Rolling LB and Slow stack LB (with Glyph)</p>
<p>I guess the benifit here for slow stack LB is the slighty improved healing and the Mana refund </p>
<p>over a 6 minute fight, this will be about 18k more healing done, definately worth having</p>
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		<title>By: Keeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be hard to grasp.. it makes my brain do backflips! :) 

Basic logic tells us that punching out a bunch of fast-stacked blooms in half the time of a slow stack will be better - I mean, it seems logical that 32k healing over 12 seconds is a better strategy than 43k healing over 24 seconds, because the HPS is substantially higher. 

Remember though, it&#039;s not about HPS here, it&#039;s about HPET (Healing Per Execute Time).  When you&#039;re thinking like a DPSer, it&#039;s the HPET that you have to focus on. How much healing you&#039;re going to get out of your casts. The bang you&#039;re getting for your buck.
 
Using your numbers, the slow stack is doing 43462 healing, and takes 3 seconds of execution time (3 casts). That&#039;s 14487 HPET.

The fast stack is doing 32104 healing, and also takes 3 seconds of execution time (3 casts, just further apart). That&#039;s 10701 HPET.

The HPS of the fast stack is higher, and at first glance looks more attractive than the lower HPS of the slow stack. But, for your same 3 GCDs, a slow stack will give you 43k total healing, while the fast stack will only give you 32k healing. 

Again, it&#039;s easy to think &quot;Yeah, but it&#039;s 32k healing in half the time, so in 24 seconds I could be doing 63k healing from fast stacking, instead of 43k from slow stacking!&quot; - but it doesn&#039;t work that way with HPET. Fast stacking will lock you into far more LB GCDs, where you really should be using them for higher HPET spells (again, getting more bang for your GCD buck). The HPET of a 3-HoT Nourish is higher than the HPET of a fast-stacked Lifebloom, so it is the better spell for your GCD cost. 

&lt;b&gt;You will get more healing out of slow stacking LB and Nourishing in between, than fast stacking Lifeblooms and locking yourself into a lot of LB GCDs.&lt;/b&gt;

This may seem to contradict what I said about it being wrong to want Rejuv to last 18 seconds because you could squeeze more Nourishes in between Rejuv refreshes. RR has a higher HPET than Nourish, so it&#039;s the better choice of the two - recasting Rejuv is a GOOD thing in this case, and it&#039;s not &quot;wasting time that you could be Nourishing&quot;. On the other hand, fast stacked Lifebloom has a lower HPET than Nourish, so having to recast it constantly is hurting your Nourish (and overall) output, because it IS wasting time that you could be Nourishing.


I hope that makes sense.
.-= Keeva´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://treebarkjacket.com/2010/02/08/healers-and-killing-blows/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Healers and Killing Blows&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be hard to grasp.. it makes my brain do backflips! <img src='http://treebarkjacket.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Basic logic tells us that punching out a bunch of fast-stacked blooms in half the time of a slow stack will be better &#8211; I mean, it seems logical that 32k healing over 12 seconds is a better strategy than 43k healing over 24 seconds, because the HPS is substantially higher. </p>
<p>Remember though, it&#8217;s not about HPS here, it&#8217;s about HPET (Healing Per Execute Time).  When you&#8217;re thinking like a DPSer, it&#8217;s the HPET that you have to focus on. How much healing you&#8217;re going to get out of your casts. The bang you&#8217;re getting for your buck.</p>
<p>Using your numbers, the slow stack is doing 43462 healing, and takes 3 seconds of execution time (3 casts). That&#8217;s 14487 HPET.</p>
<p>The fast stack is doing 32104 healing, and also takes 3 seconds of execution time (3 casts, just further apart). That&#8217;s 10701 HPET.</p>
<p>The HPS of the fast stack is higher, and at first glance looks more attractive than the lower HPS of the slow stack. But, for your same 3 GCDs, a slow stack will give you 43k total healing, while the fast stack will only give you 32k healing. </p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s easy to think &#8220;Yeah, but it&#8217;s 32k healing in half the time, so in 24 seconds I could be doing 63k healing from fast stacking, instead of 43k from slow stacking!&#8221; &#8211; but it doesn&#8217;t work that way with HPET. Fast stacking will lock you into far more LB GCDs, where you really should be using them for higher HPET spells (again, getting more bang for your GCD buck). The HPET of a 3-HoT Nourish is higher than the HPET of a fast-stacked Lifebloom, so it is the better spell for your GCD cost. </p>
<p><b>You will get more healing out of slow stacking LB and Nourishing in between, than fast stacking Lifeblooms and locking yourself into a lot of LB GCDs.</b></p>
<p>This may seem to contradict what I said about it being wrong to want Rejuv to last 18 seconds because you could squeeze more Nourishes in between Rejuv refreshes. RR has a higher HPET than Nourish, so it&#8217;s the better choice of the two &#8211; recasting Rejuv is a GOOD thing in this case, and it&#8217;s not &#8220;wasting time that you could be Nourishing&#8221;. On the other hand, fast stacked Lifebloom has a lower HPET than Nourish, so having to recast it constantly is hurting your Nourish (and overall) output, because it IS wasting time that you could be Nourishing.</p>
<p>I hope that makes sense.<br />
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