I’m back from my little break!
Sadly though, my first post is going to be a rant. But it can’t be helped – this is something that absolutely infuriated me, and I need to write it down so I can let it go.
It’s long, and there are no pretty pictures – I apologise in advance!
Next time I decide to PUG a raid, someone slap me
I haven’t raided for a couple of weeks now; and Inexorable cleared ICC on Sunday, so I wasn’t saved. I decided to keep an eye out for a PUG that might need a healer. Partly out of boredom, partly missing raiding – but also because I felt like helping out a group that might be struggling to find one last healer. I saw a group looking for that one last raid healer, and I put my hand up.
Now – we are the server first guild, but I don’t think I’m a better person that everyone around me. I don’t throw my guild tag around like I’m royalty or anything. But I am pretty well geared, and I like thinking that maybe I can help a lesser-geared group by injecting a seasoned and geared ICC player into the raid. No ego – I genuinely figure that my gear can help “carry” some lesser-geared healers. And since many groups can sit in Trade chat for ages, trying to find healers, then I can speed things up for them. I like that feeling – helping strangers.
I didn’t recognise a single name, and barely recognised a couple of guilds. Most of the people were from guilds I had never heard of (alt guilds, I think).
It wasn’t too bad. We wiped a couple of times on Marrowgar; I think the healing was a little low, so whenever a healer would be spiked, the tanks almost died. I spent a lot of time bombing the tanks. But we did it.
Lady Deathwhisper is where the drama happened.
Deprogramming was the raid weekly – awesome. It’s practically free badges. Grab Darnavan, pull him aside, and tank him gently; profit. It’s one of the easiest weekly raid quests. Free stuff!
BUT
30 seconds into the fight, Darnavan was at about 40% health and dropping rapidly. Either people don’t know the quest, didn’t pick it up, didn’t read it… or maybe they were just blindly killing anything near them, I don’t know. I play with nameplates up, so I can instantly see who is who; I suspect that few puggers do the same.
We wiped. Not because of Darnavan, mind you (this is important), but because Deathwhisper’s other adds were dancing through the raid and smacking people enthusiastically in the face. I died to them very early on, so I was able to lie on the floor and watch what was happening.
When we got back from the wipe, someone said “we usually do it the easy way – just kill Darn.” My head nearly exploded. Why would you pick up a quest that spawns an add that you’re meant to protect – and then kill him? Why not just.. not pick up the quest? (/kaboom)
Anyway, I explained to them that it wasn’t Darn killing us, it was the adds. The quest is free badges, it’s easy, guys. The raid leader said “Darn stays alive.” Cool.
We wipe again, and then it turns into a fight. More people want to forget about doing the weekly. I explain again that Darnavan is not the one killing us, it’s the normal adds running around and killing people. I get a whisper from someone saying “We’re killing Darn, the RL said so.” I said “No – the RL said he stays alive.” “Wateva, I wasn’t killing him anyway.” I extrapolate this to mean that the bulk of the raid probably doesn’t know what’s going on.
We stand around for a while, trying to fill a few spots that opened up after the wipe. People keep blaming things on Darnavan being up. I keep trying (in vain) to explain that raid members are being cut down by Deathwhisper’s adds, NOT Darnavan.
Your thick
“Are you that thick” says one of the DPS. “He WWs the raid, he needs to be tanked.” (WW= whirlwind)
“He’s not the one killing us – it’s the adds. This isn’t hard – he just gets tanked to one side, it’s easy.”
“Your thick.” (ugh)
“There’s really no need to be a jerk.”
“Well your that thick, you don’t even know how it works.”
“I do know how it works, and I’m telling you, Darn is not what is killing us, it’s the adds.”
(other people try to jump in and say the same)
“Your thick. He needs to be tanked or he WWs the raid.”
“He IS being tanked.”
“By who??????”
I didn’t answer, but I wanted to say “By the tank from your guild, you idiot” – I had Darn in focus and watched the whole time as he was tanked by the warrior. So this DPS guy didn’t even know that his own guildmate was tanking Darn, as required. He was doing an OK job – but probably needed to tank him further away so that he wasn’t whirlwhinding near people trying to kill the normal adds. Other people in the raid tried to explain this, but it was ignored.
He keeps calling me stupid. More sheep vote to kill Darn to make it easier. I keep (calmly and politely) trying to explain what the raid’s genuine problem is (the adds running rampant, with no pickups and no focused DPS on them), and that Darn is not a problem. Others try to back me up.
I’m called stupid over and over. They latch onto the fact that I’m in the leading guild. I guess that makes me an easy target – it’s easier to blame one person for the raid’s failings than to actually listen to what the real issue is.
I’m getting frustrated, and finally ask him what his ICC experience actually is. I was trying desperately not to play the “I’m in the top guild, I know what I’m doing” card – but I was becoming increasingly frustrated with this guy telling me I was an idiot, when I could SEE what was killing the raiders. I’m not an idiot, I know how the fight works, and I could see what was going wrong.
Me: DPSguy, can I ask what your ICC experience actually is?
**Someraider has left the raid
DPSguy: lol he asked and then left, what a retard
Me: Hi, I’m still here. You’re kinda special.
Raid: lol
(what a jerk, seriously..)
I’m handed raid leader by the current RL who doesn’t feel confident leading. I felt bad for the raid leader
The guild’s tank says “and don’t you dare kick (the DPS) out – he is our second best DPS.”
I desperately wanted to kick both of them for being jerks, and for threatening me, but I knew that the raid would just see it as me being nasty – and probably dooming the raid. It would just make me the bad guy. So I didn’t.
More telling me how much of an idiot I am, etc. More of some of the other raiders trying to back me up. More of his guild siding with him. “We’d better do the quest or Keeva might die if he doesn’t get his 5 badges.” I don’t correct them on my gender, I feel it would be unwise at this point.
More insults. Again, I try to explain how the raid is dying, and what we need to change. More “your thick”.
I lose my temper (such as it is) with him not listening, and say “You’re an idiot, seriously.” I know, pretty nasty stuff huh
Hilariously, his guild then jumps on me, and I get people saying things like “Why would you yell at your team??” Translation: “I can’t believe you would be so rude to your own raid members, what kind of horrible raid leader are you?” It was one of those “are you f#$king kidding me?” moments – I’d been abused and insulted for the past 20 minutes, while calmly and politely explaining the problem – and then when I finally get annoyed and call him an idiot, I’m the rude one! Me!
He throws out a few more sarcastic comments about me being a retard, stupid, not knowing the fight, blah blah. Sarcastically wishes the group “good luck”. Then he drops group.
I sigh and say “What an asshat.”
His remaining guildmates jump on me again, this time in private whispers. Get a load of this one, it was hilarious:
W: Hey nobhead
W: a little politeness goes a long way you know
lol!
Prefixing advice about being polite with “hey nobhead”. Wow, wow, wow. I got TOLD.
The tank also abuses me – you know, the one that was tanking Darnavan but nobody knew about it? Yeah, he told me off for being rude, too. Rich.
And one or two other guildies went at me… telling me I shouldn’t come to PUGS and “try to take over”. I wasn’t taking anything over, I was telling them what they were doing wrong. But they wouldn’t have it. To them, I was arrogant and ignorant.
Wasting your breath
I absolutely cannot stand ignorant or stupid people who think *I* am the ignorant/stupid one (refer to my post about split DPS in FOS and the group getting angry at me for asking them to single target). They simply would not listen – they refused to. I was watching the fight – I could see what was killing people, and it wasn’t Darnavan. Hell, I tanked Darnavan for a while after a couple of healers went down and the OT died. They really had no clue – they didn’t even know that he was being tanked (BY THEIR OWN TANK) – I think they thought he was running through the raid the whole time? Who knows.
I’m not a stupid person, and I really hate it when people just keep barfing “your stupid” (yes, your) rather than approaching things intelligently. “Your stupid” as a counter-argument to everything you try to say. It was incredibly infuriating. Especially since it ended up making me look like I made the raid fall apart because I wanted 5 extra badges. I didn’t give a crap about 5 extra badges, it became a principle thing – that they simply weren’t listening to what was actually going wrong. Darn. Is. Not. Killing. Us.
In hindsight, I should have said my piece, then put a bet on the fight that killing Darnavan would not make it any easier for us, that the adds would still wipe us. But I didn’t think to do that.
So in the end, I looked like a jerk, because I insisted on making them do the quest that was OBVIOUSLY wiping the raid.
I’ve never blacklisted a guild before – but after being abused by several of them, I won’t ever group with members of that guild, ever again. What a bunch of ignorant, rude, and unbelievably infuriating jerks (with the exception of the raid leader who was very nice).
I’m still really angry about it. I love to PUG, because I really enjoy helping people. Especially inexperienced people. I like to think that I’m helping them to get a little further than they might normally get. I didn’t need any gear from ICC (maybe a token?), I just thought I would find a group to help out.
And I ended up getting told that I’m stupid, and being abused in whispers by a bunch of ignorant idiots. Definitely an experience to forget, and a guild to avoid.
I’m not sure when I’ll PUG a raid again.
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